About Tim Rowland

Tim Rowland is a columnist, author and outdoors writer living in Jay.

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  1. Boreas says

    So far, I am liking what I am hearing about the plans for the mine – at least short-term. I would certainly like to see the tailings gone or used as fill, and it seems there is no immediate plan to actively dig for more material.

    I am more concerned about long-term plans – for instance when the tailings are gone. Go back to digging? Close the mine? Remediation of the area? I would think DEC would be interested in the long-term plan as well – especially before transferring permits and such.

    • Pat says

      From what i understand from the article, the permits do not allow new mining. The owners would need mining permits that would need to be approved by the DEC, which would require a detailed plan including environmental safeguards.

      ( the DEC said, can only mine stockpiles from the previous mining operation. “Any additional operations would require DEC review and authorization,” )

      It is unlikely they would get approval, unless something changes drastically in the need for the minerals on the property, as it did in WWII.

    • Judson Witham says

      I dig the idea of lots of digging. Super Great News for industry and The North Country Economy. Aerospace Electronics High Tech let the advanced Sciences off the chain …. Great Super Excellent News.

      Swamp Fox

  2. william c hill says

    Sadly, I expect Bauer & Co, the APA, and the DEC to torpedo this venture at every turn. I sure would like to be wrong.

  3. adkresident says

    They didn’t gamble on the purchase,
    the deal was made to buy the mine BEFORE the rail line was purchased.

    No business person takes a $3.33 million dollar risk.

    • Pat says

      Perhaps,

      It seems to me the entire venture is a gamble, if it was a sure thing, the current mine owner could have brought in investors and done it themselves.

  4. Molly Pritchard says

    In the 1990s they tried to sell the whole 11,200 acres to the State but in the end in 2003 they kept the 1200 acres on which they could not get a certificate showing that they were free of environmental liability (and therefore the State could not buy it) and OSI bought 10,000 acres, selling 7,000 to the State in 2007 and selling the southerly 3,000 acres for private forestry. That 3,000 acres has an easement on it that would allow someone to mine the Cheney Pond deposit. The rail line also has a 100 year lease that began in 1962. Drill baby drill, dig baby dig.

  5. Linda Kay says

    These people are scammers, did anyone look into their past before giving them money for this? They destroyed 1000 Acres ranch and investors threw them out. Don’t believe anything they say.

    • Scott Willis says

      Where is it said that somebody “gave” these folks money ? Perhaps they have their own money. People are entitled to spend their own money as they please.

    • adkresident says

      Did you make this up or did you hear it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend?

    • LeRoy Hogan says

      The new owners are not doing any better and the same hard times happened at Pine Ridge Dude Ranch in Kerhonkson, NY Catskills. Perhaps they are scammers too?

  6. nathan says

    sounds like another “rich get richer and enviromental disaster left to tax payers to clean up”. sounds like a lot of back room deals were made before purchase, payoffs and kick-backs deals done.
    Newcomb should be saying “NO!”, APA should be saying no to mine run off into Boreus and hudson river waters. The mine should never be reopened, no blasting, no heavy machines, no toxic runoff or poison pits! Reseach mining pollution and it screams no

    • Scott Willis says

      Where is it said that there will be new mining at Tahawus ? From everything I read the plan is to move out the tailings that have been sitting there for 80 years.

      And where is it said that the mining operations, past or present, have polluted the Upper Hudson River ? I lived in Minerva for many years, have hiked, backpacked, canoed, kayaked in the areas around the mine. I never noticed polluted water. Fear, doom and gloom, how about some JOBS and not ripping out another rail road. Bauer and Company, this publication, Dick Beamish et al are so anti rail, ENOUGH. You got your Tupper ~ Placid Rail trail. Let these folks give it a go.

      • Joan Grabe says

        Scott,
        Why would anyone pay 3 million dollars to remove the tailings from a long unused mine ? Of course the mine is a source of future profits but it will not create jobs on the scale needed here. A few heavy equipment operators, a small number of train crews – sort of like how lumber is harvested now and trucked away on huge trucks. No more merry bands of lumberman, dancing on logs rolling down the river. I don’t know if we need any more rail trails as the first segment from Tupper to Placid isn’t quite complete yet or more access into the wilderness but I do know we have to get better broadband and cell phone coverage in the Adirondacks. And improve our existing public school systems and increase the number of licensed child care providers. This will create job opportunities and attract new residents to the area.And the new monies requested by Gov.Hochul for SUNY will improve our local public colleges after years of being starved by the former Governor. This is the positive route forward and not some private enterprise chimera with dubious antecedents and a confrontational future.

      • Nathan says

        do you honestly think it will only be tailings? that it will not evolve to be more mining. Also did you see when the mines were running in the 40’s through 60’s at full tilt? my grandparents worked and lived in Tahawus they saw the filthy water running out of the mines down stream and i grew up hearing about the heavy rains washing mine waste and for weeks the streams would be lined with dead fish.How grandpa would be so upset to loose his trout fishing. Look up history of mining and long term pollution. then use an educated opinion!
        Secondly these people from Colorado are not looking here for anything but profit, they are not being enviromentalists or outdoors people. Greed pure and simple, reopening mines will create maybe 20 jobs for a decade or two, then they close mine, stop paying taxes and the massive toxic clean up gets left to tax payers yet again as repeated through out history. Let them build but have to put aside a well funded account for only cleaning up the mess and see how fast they run away!

  7. Molly Pritchard says

    U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Industrial Base Analysis and Sustainment Program to support the construction of a commercial scale processing facility for heavy rare earth elements.

    HREEs have higher atomic weights and are generally less abundant than light rare earth elements (LREEs). They are essential inputs to many critical defense and commercial technologies, particularly permanent magnets instrumental to the performance of electric vehicles, wind turbines, drones, and missile systems.

    The ability to process HREEs alongside LREEs will enable companies to extract and refine all rare earths required to manufacture high-performance permanent magnets. It will also enable the company to recycle all recoverable rare earths from end-of-life magnets and magnet production scrap, increasing the resiliency and environmental sustainability of the domestic supply base.

    “The U.S. needs to continue to push the scientific envelope to develop secure, reliable, and affordable domestic source critical minerals used in defense and commercial manufacturing in order to reduce its dependence on foreign sources in a time of global economic competition,” said Deborah Rosenblum who is performing the duties of Assistant Secretary of Defense for Industrial Base Policy.
    To meet growing magnetics demand and promote supply chain resiliency.

    Tahawus will have a closed loop, zero-discharge rare earth production facility with a dry tailings process that recycles more than one billion liters of water per year.

    • nathan says

      Molly you sound like a paid rep for the new owners rather than a simple commenter. To be that high a level of clean would require a very, very massive outlay of infrastructure and that kind of invest ment of close to 50 to 100 million dollar.Then milions per year to maintain those safe guards. will the Re-processesing of the tailings for a second time, really recover the initial investments? and there will be issues of seepage into the ground water, containment pools that can over flow, levee filure. and surely owner desire to further dig,and dig some more for profits. There are much better places to mine than the very Heart of a nature preserve a “forever wild”. it took decades for the boreas river to recover from the 40’s,50’s and 60’s mine wastes. The boreus river slowly rebounded and become a clear river with fish, then acid rain wiped the Boreas river dead again in the 80’s and part of the 90’s. The boreas is finally seeing fish some and still no crayfish, now to poison it yet again???

  8. Dave says

    Still got to get use of the rail line to the south. If those communities hold fast, theses idiots will be long gone before anything moves again on that rail line.

    • Pat says

      Why would they be against it? They would negotiate lease agreement that both sides are happy with, transport by rail is significantly safer, more efficient, and has less environmental impact than using trucks.

  9. MountaynMan says

    Seems to me that no one is talking about the fact that someone else owns the material they are planning on taking down the rail that hasnt run in years there are way to many unanswered questions and a lot of dollars to be spent something really fishy smelling here

  10. David Gibson says

    On behalf of Adirondack Wild, I am not a great fan of ripping out the rails between North Creek and Tahawus, nor do I feel that once ripped out, a future rail-trail between North Creek and Newcomb would blend peacefully into the forest. It could readily become a legal or defacto mechanized corridor, with many opportunities to spur off it, illegally. If Doc N’ Dutchess LLC can feasibly move Tahawus aggregrate via the spur rail line again and reduce the truck traffic out of Newcomb, I think those are positives.

  11. Gregory Wait says

    I skied from upper works a couple times this winter. There was one other car in the parking lot. The area is as spectacular as the heavily used northern high peaks. The state is putting effort into getting people to enter the high peaks from the south. People will come. There is so much more that can be done to create opportunity. Why isn’t there internet up there yet? There are many excuses which add up to our legislator being unfocused on the needs of residents of Newcomb and visitors If you want something done, it can get done.
    There are many very bright people working on Wilderness issues.
    Clean air, solitude, clean water, mountains, peaceful places are shrinking.
    The wild character becomes more valuable by the day. Plans from folks who have a profit motivation by using or taking something from the land, instead of offering to the land to benifit the natural charactor and people, need to be questioned.
    This is the Adirondack Park. A jewel on this planet.
    Also, the tourist train idea is ridiculous.
    It’s a very very bygone issue. If these folks say they want to try to revive it, you have to question if they are being honest. Thank You.

    • Pat says

      Well said.

      It should certainly be questioned.

      The real objective seems to be to move the tailings to a place where they can have the valuable minerals extracted from them, The cost of transportation of material, often cuts into the profits too much to make it worthwhile.

      They will likely work out shared usage with the bike rail company, the tourist train is probably just to make their business sound like it will bring tourists, especially since the government clearly wanted the rails used and maintained for trains. They will have engines and employee’s, they could probably do some tours and not lose money.
      Their operations should be held to a very high standard in all respects, and they should have to show proof of compliance.
      Assuming they do, I wish them luck, getting valuable materials in an environmentally responsible manner, is much better than importing them

      Question everything, question those who question, and question those who do not.

  12. Molly Pritchard says

    Rare Earths Mining

    When you include electric vehicles in the renewables and electrification equation, the demand for rare earth minerals needed for both batteries and magnets increases.

    Rare earth minerals are a highly valued commodity. China currently controls 80% of the world’s resources and refines most of the rare earth minerals mined in the world. This in and of itself is not an issue unless rare earth minerals become politicalized, which occasionally they do. In 2010 China restricted rare earth mineral shipments to Japan. It is entirely possible this could happen to the United States or Europe as well if China deems rare earth minerals to be a strategic commodity. The United States currently gets about 80% of its rare earth supply from China, so a disruption in the supply chain would have a serious impact.

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